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Old 08-13-2017, 12:59 PM   #11
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The way I look at it for my own business dealings is that pricing should be based on value above all.

I work on the assumption that customers don't care how long things take to make, or how difficult and they care as much about my bills as I do about theirs. I think they will first ask if the price looks right for what they see in front of them. Then they will look at how it compares with the competition.

Nobody will ever convince me that the tiny plain tube is worth $150 but I am not really criticizing the seller as much as laughing that people would buy it.

If I could get away with charging that much for a cf tube, I would do nothing except make tubes all day. I am certainly not above it from a moral point of view. I'm more jealous that they can get away with it.

I don't know how much it costs other people to make cf tubes but I think there is a lot more than a 6-10x mark-up on those tubes based on what it would cost me to make them.

While I agree that many cf products warrant a 6-10x mark-up (or more) due to the amount of effort, time and cost that goes into making them, plain tubes are not in that category for me. They are just a lot easier, faster and cheaper to make than everything else. Plus, other companies are selling more complex cf handguards with machined keymod and hexagon shapes etc for a fraction of the price.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:12 PM   #12
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I ask again, how much is the value of machining the aluminum nut that is included? You don't just get a piece of CF tube for that price.
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:18 AM   #13
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I ask again, how much is the value of machining the aluminum nut that is included? You don't just get a piece of CF tube for that price.

The nuts go for $5 to $10. Some as low as $2.50.


Here is another carbon fiber handguard that is longer, better looking and with far more craftsmanship going for $45 including all mounting hardware and shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/223-5-56-7-I...kAAOSwzaJX~qyR

To me, this handguard is a good example of where carbon fiber is used well for a product and the manufacturer doesn't just expect customers to pay a fortune without them having to do any work just because it's carbon fiber.

I look at this one and see a handguard. I look at the other one and I just see a plain over-priced tube. Not a finished product at all.

Anyway....I stand by my assessment. If anyone disagrees and sees good value in that plain tube handguard then I have no doubt that store will be very happy to sell you one.
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:45 PM   #14
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Zebra,

While I agree that the price seems high, I think you made a bit of a mistake right off the bat. You called it a rip-off in the title of this thread. That, to me, means you think the mfg is ripping people off. Now, in post #11, you suggest that it's not the mfg but the buyer that you are "laughing" at. I could more agree with your post #11 sentiment than #1 although I don't know that I'd be laughing at the customer. I'd imagine others might feel the same.

The mfg is selling a product that he thinks is worth $xxxX. As far as I can see, nobody is being forced to buy that product so I think calling it a rip-off is way off. The buyer can decide if the product is worth what the seller is asking. If the buyers think it's worth $X, the mfg has basically two options - lower his price or not sell the item.
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